and ironically if you repeal obama care, and i've become fond of this terms, obama care. if you repeal it, what happens, those seniors right away will be paying $600 more in prescription care. they'll now have to pay co pays for basic checkups that could keep them healthier. and the primary beneficiary of that repeal are insurance companies that are estimated to gain billions of dollars back when they aren't making seniors any healthier, and i don't think that's the right approach when it comes to making sure that medicare is stronger over the long term. >> we'll talk about -- specifically about health care in a moment. do you support the voucher system, governor? >> what i support is no change for current retirees and near retirees to medicare and the president supports taking $716 billion out of that program. >> what about the voucher. >> that's number one. >> all right. >> number two is for people coming along that are young, what i'd do to make sure that we can keep medicare in place for them, is to allow them to either choose the current medicare program or a private